From: Neil Kothari [mailto:nkoth@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:08 AM To: INXS Mailing List Subject: INXS: Bang The Drum I'm sure you all know, but INXS has released "Bang The Drum" as an e-single on iTunes. I'm very happy that they finally put out this gem of a record -- it was recorded in the Elegantly Wasted sessions, and was always one of my favorite songs from those sessions. I was definitely bummed that it didn't make the final cut of the record, but the song lives on after all now! Definitely worth the download -- MIchael is in fine form on this one. -neil From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:20 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Bang The Drum I have never even heard the demo to this song as some of you have, it's a track that would nestle nicely between Shake the Tree and WATT. It's a bit boisterous, but I don't know what tracks they'd leave out for it, probably Show Me or She is Rising can be ditched for this track and the album improves. I don't consider most of the stuff on side one as ditchable because there is clear distinction on the album between songs that were commercial (they were always going to be on the album) and songs where the band was experimenting (the superior stuff). I remember Bruce Fairbairn was fairly impressed with this track mentioning it in interview as if it was a sure thing to make the record. Downloading is the only way you will be able to get this track as they aren't intent in releasing it in any other format. Also if not already mentioned/ known, Kick is being reissued to the rest of the world (bar North America) with a 12 track bonus disc of material from the period (remixes, live stuff, b-sides). Bang the Drum has a touch of that What You Need Aspen thing happening in it with some technoish overdrive to boot :). Kick From: Patrice Payne [mailto:patrice2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:56 PM To: inxs Subject: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina Everyone visit www.michaelhutchenceinfo.com Tina and Patricia has't seen Tiger lily in awhile because of bob. She needs all the fans to send appeal to send bob to concern about tiger lily not see her family in austrialia. Please visit the web site Patrice From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:04 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina I read the plea and while it sounds very sad I do know that there are always two sides to the story and somewhere in the middle lies the truth. Bob is Tiger's father now and having two kids of my own, I would be damned if I would let a bunch of strangers tell me how I was raising my kids is wrong. I think she's going about this the wrong way. If I were Bob and I saw how she involved a bunch of strangers in her plea for visitation, I would wonder how she would use Tiger to manipulate the press for herself once she did get visitation. Can't help, sorry. S Talon From: Nanci Lamb Roider [mailto:nanci@digitalcastle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:32 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina Sherrianne said: > I think she's going about this the wrong way. If I were Bob and I saw > how she involved a bunch of strangers in her plea for visitation, I > would wonder how she would use Tiger to manipulate the press for > herself once she did get visitation. Here, here! It appalls me when celebrities (or non-celebs, like Tina) use their children, relatives, etc as pawns in their own power struggles. I have no doubt that Tina would like to be a part of Tiger's life, but this is NOT the way to go about it. Like Sherrianne said, if I were the custodial parent (as Bob is, in this case), and I saw someone trying ton involve people we DON'T EVEN KNOW in a dispute such as this, I'd be concerned not only for the child's welfare while in her care, but for her own mental stability in general. Going the route Tina is following seems a dodgy decision at best. Who on earth would someone want to invite more scrutiny into an already too-publicized life? My 2¢... Nanci PS - Sharrianne, you said you've got 2 kids - so I assume your baby girl has arrived safe and sound? Congratulations to both you and Michael! What did you name her? We thought we had all the answers; it was the questions we had wrong. --Bono From: Deirdre [mailto:deirdreanne@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:37 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina You know...I fell out of the INXS loop around about the time it was announced that Tina and Patricia were writing a book, the litigation was taking place, there was a lot of controversy, the division seemed to be at its height, etc. In all honesty, when I was presented with the opportunity to read their book this past spring (it was only in October 2003 that I could bring myself to read anything to do with Michael--took me til April this year to listen to his solo album) I did not want to because all I remembered was the strife that was going on in the past. There were flame wars galore on the list, if I remember correctly. Anyway, I have read that book now, and I have read that website in its entirety. It changed my opinion about some things in that it reminded me to keep an open mind. I'm glad I took the time to digest every word. Deirdre From: Hairart10@aol.com [mailto:Hairart10@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:01 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina I have a son and I am a single parent ..I would be damned if anything happened to me that my child would be brought up by a stranger..! And that is what "he" is..They are her blood relatives..and they never had a chance in hell of getting custody of her..Money talks, as always..AlI they want is the right to see her..You really think that they are not intitled? Bob geldof only has custody because he had the money and the "Sir" at the beginning of his name..It is wrong what he is doing..but someday he will have to answer to Tiger... Just my opinion....Fran..... read the plea and while it sounds very sad I do know that there are always two sides to the story and somewhere in the middle lies the truth. Bob is Tiger's father now and having two kids of my own, I would be damned if I would let a bunch of strangers tell me how I was raising my kids is wrong. I think she's going about this the wrong way. If I were Bob and I saw how she involved a bunch of strangers in her plea for visitation, I would wonder how she would use Tiger to manipulate the press for herself once she did get visitation. Can't help, sorry. S Talon From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:51 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina Oh, yes... Summer Anne Rose was born on 5 August, 2004, almost two weeks late and they had to drag her out by c-section, kicking and screaming! But she was well worth the wait and absolutely gorgeous. A healthy 8 lb 7 oz and looks a lot like her dad! Thanx for the congrats! I'll forward a picture privately. Sherrianne From: LuvNPce99@aol.com [mailto:LuvNPce99@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:26 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina AMEN Fran.....I agree 100%!! What I would like to know is the reason WHY he won't let Tina and Patricia see Tiger?? What seems to be the problem? Love & Peace - Rosemarie From: catherine vander Woerd [mailto:vdw@cts.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:49 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina The thoughts that come to mind....1).he's a control freak. 2) He is obeying Paula's wish that Michael's family won't be able to see her. 3) This is the ultimate revenge in getting back at Michael. Michael had been paranoid that Geldof had plans to take her. And it came true...so sad and ironic. Obviously this is just my point of view, and my heart goes out to Tiger's blood relatives who are desperate to visit with her! Cathy From: Nanci Lamb Roider [mailto:nanci@digitalcastle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:08 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: INXS: Re Plead from Michael's sister Tina On Sep 1, 2004, at 9:25 PM, LuvNPce99@aol.com wrote: > AMEN Fran.....I agree 100%!! What I would like to know is the reason > WHY he > won't let Tina and Patricia see Tiger?? What seems to be the problem? Somehow, I doubt that Bob would choose so public a forum as Tina has to discuss these matters that are none of the world's business. And, FWIW, I don't consider Bob a "stranger." Just because one is not a blood relative does not mean one is a "stranger." Likewise, the sole status of being a blood relative in no way, shape, or form better qualifies someone to raise a child. (imho) Nanci We thought we had all the answers; it was the questions we had wrong. --Bono From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina The thing is, I'm sure he has his reasons and none of us know what they are. I think people are forgetting something here. Tiger lives with her sisters, her closest blood relatives. Why debate what's right for Tiger on an INXS list? We don't know any of the parties involved or, if we do, it's only one side of the story. While I love to see list traffic, I would much rather see it on INXS and not try and decide what's right for a STRANGER'S child, and I'm talking about Michael here, we don't know what he wanted. No one knows what happened or how he felt, it's all heresay on his mom and sister's part and if they are right, it's very sad but none of our business and if it's wrong it's sad and still none of our business. If people are that worried about children we don't know, support a world vision child, at least you are actually making a difference! Again, there are two sides to every story. And now for INXS stuff.... With all the re-re-releases... (is that a word???) I tend to feel at times that I would rather have INXS just email me and say "look... we are a little short this month, could you send us $20.00?" I'm losing track of what I'm supposed to have and what's good, and what's remastered, and what's only released in the UK and what's only here in Australia and didn't they already re-release the Kick album... I think we have that here.... Although I'm Only Looking is BRILLIANT (but what did they do to The Gift???)!!!! I would really like a month where I didn't have to figure out whether I need to buy something I may already own! I'd still love some new stuff! And Bang the Drum was a nice surprise but in my opinion, and of course it's different than Neil's , is that it is a very easy song to get bored of. I have found that a few of their "vault" songs have the same kind of sound and mood even though they are from different periods, anyone else get that feeling? Alright, baby cries, so my adult time is done for the day. Sherrianne From: catherine vander Woerd [mailto:vdw@cts.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:50 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Re Plead from Michael's sister Tina Bob Geldof has money and power. True, he wasn't a stranger, just someone in Tiger's life who despised her own father. and was father to her sisters. Do you people who think St Bob is giving her the best life (and agreed, she looks happy) is really giving Tiger any loving comment regarding her real dad though? I truly doubt it! That's why its so unfair that she's being denied connect with her other family. Cathy From: Hairart10@aol.com [mailto:Hairart10@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:52 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina We are just having a discussion and are not trying to right the wrongs of the world..Adults should be able to talk about things and have an opinion without it turning into anything..And I think we where doing just that. Really what it comes down to is that people really loved and cared for Michael, so it is only natural that they would feel some of the same for his daughter..It is the one thing he left on this earth that is of him, a part of him the very thing that will keep everyone from forgetting he existed...! Besides for his music...She was his number one hit! I think people are forgetting something here. Tiger lives with her sisters, her closest blood relatives. Why debate what's right for Tiger on an INXS list? We don't know any of the parties involved or, if we do, it's only one side of the story. While I love to see list traffic, I would much rather see it on INXS and not try and decide what's right for a STRANGER'S child, and I'm talking about Michael here, we don't know what he wanted. No one knows what happened or how he felt, it's all heresay on his mom and sister's part and if they are right, it's very sad but none of our business and if it's wrong it's sad and still none of our business. If people are that worried about children we don't know, support a world vision child, at least you are actually making a difference! Again, there are two sides to every story. From: Hairart10@aol.com [mailto:Hairart10@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:54 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Re Plead from Michael's sister Tina In a message dated 9/1/2004 10:48:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, vdw@cts.com writes: Bob Geldof has money and power. True, he wasn't a stranger, just someone in Tiger's life who despised her own father. and was father to her sisters. Do you people who think St Bob is giving her the best life (and agreed, she looks happy) is really giving Tiger any loving comment regarding her real dad though? I truly doubt it! That's why its so unfair that she's being denied connect with her other family. Cathy I agree! From: Neil Kothari [mailto:nkoth@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:56 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina --- Michael & Sherrianne Talon wrote: > And Bang the Drum was a nice surprise but in my > opinion, and of course it's different than Neil's , is that it > is a very easy song to get bored of. LOL. And I still hate "Please (You Got That...)" and "Deliver Me" too. :) From: PatGraham3@aol.com [mailto:PatGraham3@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:34 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina I am thinking that there is no way we all can know the details of this situation. There may be some very good reason why she is better off not seeing Tina and Patricia ~ or maybe no good reason. But without knowing the truth, I know that I personally cannot judge Bob's motives. I hope that whatever is best for Tiger is what will happen. Patricia AMEN Fran.....I agree 100%!! What I would like to know is the reason WHY he > won't let Tina and Patricia see Tiger?? What seems to be the problem? > > Love & Peace - Rosemarie From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:43 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina Yes, of course you do!!! But what about FMDH as a whole? And... shall we start the Men and Women debate again??? LOL From: Brian the Rice [mailto:briantium@dragonmount.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:18 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina If I remember right, when the band toured the UK in December '02 they tried to arrange time to see Tiger but it didn't work out. When Tim and Jon did that Basement interview the following summer one of the questions they fielded was about seeing Tiger, and the disappointment on Tim's face as he explained they weren't able to see her was palpable. He didn't go into details as to why it didn't happen, but I got the impression he and the rest of the band feel it better not to make any personal views regarding the situation public. I do think that there will come a time when Tiger is old enough where she'll want to know, really know, who her father was and the life he lived. She'll want to explore that side of her family and the band and Australia. That'll be years off in the future, but when she does she'll realize if Bob has indeed been just and fair regarding her parents and especially Michael. But being what, 8 years old, she's just too young to make that choice. Brian From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:39 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina The other thing that we are forgetting is the wonderful friendship between Bono and Michael. Bono is also a very good friend of Bob's so Tiger is being watched over in a very loving way and if she has questions about her dad, I'm sure Bono will be more than pleased to answer them. From: Brian the Rice [mailto:briantium@dragonmount.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:42 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina That's right. I also understand that Simon LeBon of Duran Duran--who was also a friend of Michael's--is also close friends with Geldof. From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:31 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina Kick here as in Michael Kick Talon, Sherriannes other half. Interestingly I love Deliver Me and find it oddly similar to Bang the Drum, obviously differing in octave for one and Deliver Me has that undeniable black blues influence (particularly in the chorus and refrain). However they are both outtakes.... (I'll talk more about that later<*>) Further and more to the point, they both are very PERCUSSIVE, *both* keyboard and drums with a repetitive refrain to boot....although I admit Deliver Me with it's "gimme gimme" is an outright winner in that department. The refrain in Bang the Drum is repetitive in that not only are the words "Bang the Drum" repeated many times but the non to subtle concept of attacking the drum kit/sequencer is played out with maximum ampage on each occasion. Both I would consider to have a technoish edge, there's not many INXS songs I consider to have that, the middle part of the What You Need live Aspen mix being sim I guess. I look forward to hearing the 128kbit version as Bang the Drum with the qualities I describe above will suffer more than other songs in the low kb ranges, such as the sample on INXS.com. Boisterous as it is, on a good sound setup, songs such as this and The Gift with their wall of sound like features show their full potential. They make great live songs to :). On a separate point, although roughly inclusive... Jon Farriss once made the uncomfortable point that he hoped he hadn't overused the drums in the studio with INXS records, this comment he made when he stripped back his drum kit to the bare minimum, sometime around or after Full Moon I guess. This implied to me that the band when evaluating it's charting drop out thought that they had erred in the use of a great deal more percussion and bass from Shining Star onwards (to some extent hiding the songwriting). Note also recently the band told Mark Opitz while mixing the I'm Only Looking DVD, that if he felt the original drums/percussion mix to be to loud relative to "today's" music he should not fear mixing it down a tad. <*>Bang the Drum was left off of EW for some reason just as Deliver Me failed to make the album it was written during (FMDH) (later with The Strangest Party also, produced by Chris Thomas? for the Greatest Hits album). I speculate maybe both for sim (perhaps dodgy) reasons (?). Kick From: Fists of Fury Eric Reed [mailto:skippythefrog@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:36 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: INXS: Men & Women hey, someone mentioned bringing up the men & women debate! I'm up for that! I am fully prepared to argue its merits. : ) Fists of Fury Eric Reed From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:05 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women Okay, I brought it up so I'll throw the first stone... I still, after so many years and debates even with my own husband... HATE THAT SONG!!! I find it to be the most incredibly self-centered, whiny, depressing song INXS has ever come up with. And now... thanx to Australian Idol , I can compare Men and Woman, in mood and intelligence, to Shannon Noll's remake of What About Me or, as I like to call it, the Wah, Wah, bleeping (fill in as desired) Wah song!!! I truly doubt that my mind can ever be changed on this topic but go ahead and try and while we are at it, with the few people left on this list, lets have a vote. Mine's for SUCKS! Now... fire away :) Sherrianne From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:10 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women This is Michael's own foray into songwriting without Andrew providing the instrumental stuff....much like Guns in the Sky....it's an adlib vocal -in character, with a pretty standard rythm. A nice touch having the orchestra, I don't think the band contributed much at all to the song.....you hear an electric guitar strumming that dark distorted chord now and then and that's about it (I'd love to have heard the band trying to convey the same mood with the standard set up LOL). If you like Michael with the orchestra by itself check out the b-side to Baby Don't Cry (BDC with orchestra and vocals alone) or the cover he did of Under My Thumb on the Rolling Stones Orchestral Tribute. Clearly the vocal treatment of Men & Women is not the typical thing he does with INXS, and nor really is the mood, the band acknowledge this in part by placing it as the last track on the album so as not to interfere with the general tempo and mood of the album. Based on Rhino's reissue it seems INXS didn't have any outtakes of note either so perhaps this track was just to prove INXS were more dimensional rather than a rock band. Some would argue the outtakes ended up on FMDH LOL... Now I appreciate classical music, so I am biased (I've written some stuff based on orchestral) instruments) but this song at the end of the album was really the icing on the cake for me. In a sense the lyric eyes wide open/mouth shut refers as much to Michael's own emotional context as it does to the attentive listener's. This piece demands attention through it's intensity, as it winds and turns through shadows and darkness to a poignant crescendo. The feature that may dissuade some listeners is the lack of meaning (lyrically) for them personally which unfortunately was a trait of the Welcome and FMDH albums. While I'm sure Michael wrote with a wider audience in mind like some of his lyrics (especially on Welcome) he tends to be ambiguous and non specific about his intentions. Certainly he refers to a personal state that one could only describe as catatonic, Neil being of the medical fraternity would know more about the symptoms he describes :). The main refrain which we are to believe is the cause of this state, Men & Women, giving me (them) the sham.........taken as a general statement, it implies society is deluding itself, especially when once considers he refers to history. Perhaps this statement is simply to large and falls down without detail and fingerpointing, but as he says his "mouth is shut" and this is where the self indulgence is found. The slick simplicity of lyrics like Live baby live over shadow his personal undertaking to remain quiet :). Hence it will never be regarded as one of the great songs by the many, it still however deserves it's place on the fantastic Welcome to Wherever You Are album. Kick From: Susan Daly [mailto:susan.m.daly@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:47 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: INXS: "Please (You Got That...)." But Neil I hear they are putting out the "Deliver Me (Neil Kothari mix)" soon :) "Please...." wasn't one of my favorite songs. But at an INXS online interview I asked Michael about the experience of doing a song with Ray Charles and although I can't remember the exact quote (I'm sure if I search An Excess of INXS I'd find it) it was clearly a great thrill for Michael. After that I listened to the song differently and you can almost hear the thrill in Michael's voice. Goofy of me - yes I know. Oh, and Men and Woman - bleech :). From: Nanci Lamb Roider [mailto:nanci@digitalcastle.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:27 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Men & Women I hate "me too" posts, but Sherrianne, you really hit the nail on the head with your assessment of mean and Women. i like a good dirge as much ad the rest of you, but please - ugh. I just cannot abide Men & Women. Though, to be fair, I do like the orchestral element of it. As for Please..., I have always liked the song. I don't rate is as one of the bets INXS songs EVER, but it's still better than most bands could do on their best day. And, I think you CAN, in fact, tell how thrilled Michael is to be singing with the late, great Ray. Nanci From: s. schulte [mailto:u2inxs@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:16 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: INXS: re:men and women On Men and women,I think that I am with most of the women voting this a least favorite. The theme of this song and the dark brooding sound don't appeal to me. Since Michael and INXS were heavily influenced by British music I have always assumed this was an attempt to visit the shoe gazing/sad music that was popular there. It is like when Bono/U2 experimented with rapping, it just didn't work well. The other reason that I don't enjoy this song is because I am easily affected by music and sad songs seem to stay with me for hours (sometimes days). Inxs usually is so upbeat, and so am I:) cheers Shivaun From: Fists of Fury Eric Reed [mailto:skippythefrog@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:58 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Men & Women HRMM! it's hard to argue the song's merits with such harsh judgements. but rather than argue, I'll simply place before you my judgement as well. like MKT pointed out, this is one of only two MH sole compositions. the first, guns in the sky, is hardly a work of musical genius. two guitar chords, with a third thrown in for the solo, and a drum loop. still, the lyrics are poignant (possibly even more so in today's world) and, despite (or perhaps because of?) its simplicity, it's catchy as hell. the second, men & women is quite a progression from guns in the sky. lyrically, it's obvious that neither was intended to be a pop song (although guns in the sky gained a bit of cult fame), as is apparent with the lack of the verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, verse, chorus, repeat, fade formula that applies to almost every INXS song. they are also among the very few INXS songs where the music was built around the lyrics. as such, the lyrics seem more raw and come out exactly as they were intended. with men & women, it's almost as if the music was being written as MH sang the lyrics. the orchestral arrangement is practically contoured around the shape of the vocals. the music builds and builds without ever repeating itself. yes, it's dark, brooding, and pissed off, but it's done WELL. unfortunately, as soon as someone sings about being pissed off, it's misconstrued as being whiny and self-centered. I would bet that we've all been able to relate to the lryics at some point in our lives. some of us would be less inclined to admit it, though. I would have liked to hear more MH solo compositions. I really wish his solo album would have continued the trend he created with INXS. although he wasn't much of a musician, I think the way he wrote music fit his lyrical style much better than any of the collaborators he worked with on the solo album. and hey, if you don't agree, at least you can refer to it as, "men & women: well, it's better than "deliver me"!" ; ) Fists of Fury Eric Reed From: Deirdre [mailto:deirdreanne@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:48 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women Fists of Fury Eric Reed wrote: hey, someone mentioned bringing up the men & women debate! I'm up for that! I am fully prepared to argue its merits. : ) Argue away...you're still not going to convince me that it isn't my least favorite INXS song! LOL :-) Deirdre From: Deirdre [mailto:deirdreanne@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:15 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women I suppose I should qualify what I said by saying that I actually like the music. The song, itself, just seems out of place in the INXS catalogue, and maybe that's because it was less of a collaborative piece than most of their other works. That says a lot, doesn't it :-) At any rate, that is why it is my least favorite INXS song. It doesn't belong on an INXS record. Deirdre From: Fists of Fury Eric Reed [mailto:skippythefrog@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:24 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women actually, if you listen carefully, it is a collaborative effort. I am pretty sure all of the band members are represented on this track, but perhaps they are a bit overshadowed by the orchestral accompaniment. I can distinctly hear drums, bass, guitar, and keyboard. not sure if kirk is in there playing a horn or what, but the rest of the guys are there. if you mean collborative as far as songwriting goes, remember that several INXS songs were penned solely by andrew. anyway, the band is only starkly represented (which works well, in my opinion), so if that's what you mean, then yeah, I can see your point. Fists of Fury Eric Reed From: Richard Davis [mailto:RichardJDavis1971@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: INXS: Just like the good old days.... Getting home from work to find the number of emails on the INXS email listing exceeding double figures !! I think I was in my 20s the last time that happened !! Rich From: Richard Davis [mailto:RichardJDavis1971@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:31 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women Kirk playing his horn. That'll get the female subscribers minds working overtime !! >From: Fists of Fury Eric Reed > >not sure if kirk is in there playing a horn From: Kelly Koczkur [mailto:silverbeachbabe@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:13 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina Blood will always be thicker than water. While I don't know where the middle lies in this situation, I do hope that little girl has the opportunity to know her blood relatives. From: Fists of Fury Eric Reed [mailto:skippythefrog@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:00 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Just like the good old days.... I didn't know the internet was around in the 70s! ; ) Richard Davis wrote: Getting home from work to find the number of emails on the INXS email listing exceeding double figures !! I think I was in my 20s the last time that happened !! Rich some days I am everything I hate but it's nothing if the truth won't survive From: Fists of Fury Eric Reed [mailto:skippythefrog@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:09 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: INXS: Bang the Drum on Windows 98? call me old school, but I still haven't upgraded beyond windows 98. I was all set to sign up for itunes and download bang the drum the other day when I was informed that itunes only works on windows 2000 and above. I'm not trying to cheat the system, but I'd really like to get a copy of that song without having to upgrade my whole operating system. does anyone know how I could obtain it? while we're at it, I'd also like to know how I can get a copy of "I get up". any help at all would be greatly appreciated! : ) Fists of Fury Eric Reed some days I am everything I hate but it's nothing if the truth won't survive From: njwardlaw@aol.com [mailto:njwardlaw@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:37 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: I Get Up? In a message dated 9/2/2004 5:08:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fists of Fury Eric Reed writes: >while we're at it, I'd also like to know how I can get a copy of "I get up". any help at all would be greatly appreciated! : ) I got my copy from CD Universe: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6490731&cart=203392198&style=music&Bab=E From: Richard Davis [mailto:RichardJDavis1971@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:27 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Just like the good old days....+ Bang The Drum Hehe, very sharp there Skip ! (been in the knife draw today by any chance ?!) But anyway, as I'm a nice person, I'll repeat something that Nathan made mention of on the current messageboard. Apparantly, iTunes only have the exclusive - it will be made available for download from other sources in the future. Hope this helps From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:41 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Just like the good old days....+ Bang The Drum Hubby has been listening to it continuously from inxs.com. The quality isn't perfect but you can hear the whole song. Oh.... and Deliver me is a brilliant song!!! I read that email out loud... about Men and Women being better than Deliver Me and it made the baby cry!!! Bad Eric!!! ;-) Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee................................................. Sherrianne From: Neil Kothari [mailto:nkoth@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:58 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Plead from Michael's sister Tina Hmm... interesting points, and you're probably right in most of your thoughts here. Still, I can't get over that grating "gimme gimme" refrain -- one of the most annoying lines in the INXS canon (and one, of course, that gets repeated ad nauseum in that horrid song.) :) The version of Bang The Drum on iTunes is a crackling corker, as you'll find when you download it. I like the comparison to The Gift -- it definitely sounds better with better audio equipment or encoding. (And Sherrianne, I still do love that title track on FMDH... but um, not much else...) From: Neil Kothari [mailto:nkoth@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:02 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women Ah, now we're talking! YES, FMDH definitely feels like Welcome's outtakes :) Count me in favor of the still edgy and controversial Men and Women -- a moody masterpiece to finish off INXS' greatest creative record! Even the fact that we still talk about this song TWELVE years after its release shows it's enduring greatness! Michael & Sherrianne Talon wrote: Based on Rhino's reissue it seems INXS didn't have any outtakes of note either so perhaps this track was just to prove INXS were more dimensional rather than a rock band. Some would argue the outtakes ended up on FMDH LOL... Hence it will never be regarded as one of the great songs by the many, it still however deserves it's place on the fantastic Welcome to Wherever You Are album. -- From: Pedro Queiros [mailto:Elegantlywasted_Pedro@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:25 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Men & Women I always really enjoyed this song, never could really understand why so many people hated it, and i was about 16 when i first heard it and it was probably harder by then to get into it. I really like the whole song, i can't get to technical about it as i am not a musician or know a lot about the tech stuff and english is not my primary language, but i can tell you i love the songs feel, it's deep, the orchestral parts are just so emocional, the drum or whatever is on the song are just great, so for me it's a very good song. In fact from WTWYA on INXS always used track 12 to experiment, was almost like if that track wasn't part of the album, some experiment, we got men and women, viking juice and shine on the european release, in fact shine is not as good as men and women on my opinion and it doesn't fit at all the EW album line up, why not an arguement about shine? Regards, Pedro From: Deirdre [mailto:deirdreanne@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:29 AM To: INXS List Subject: INXS: Bang the Drum Hey...I finally got around to listening to this. I don't know if it's the pathetic speakers on my computer, but I didn't care for the distortion. That part of the sound reminds me of Heaven Sent, but..... What a catchy tune--full of energy. I have to say I like it! Deirdre From: K D [mailto:inxsbabe@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:00 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Bang the Drum I can't wait to get Windows XP so I can get Bang the Drum from itunes!!! Karen From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:10 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Bang the Drum It will be available on other servers soon, although don't ask me which ones and whether you'll still need XP. In Australia we have to wait till Bigpondmusic.com.au (Telstra), who pretty much have an exclusive on INXS digital material in OZ, make it available. Kick From: Dagette Dillon [mailto:dagetted@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:54 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Bang the Drum yeah can't wait to d/l it either :) ..... waiting patiently .... Lisa From: Catherine [mailto:ilovinxs@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:24 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: INXS and Catherine Wheel again Oh man, I loved that show! I just got into catherine wheel when I heard they were opening for INXS. It was one of the best concert experiences I've ever had. Wow, that was in Grade 11......a long time ago! Catherine >From: Susan Daly <susan.m.daly@comcast.net> >Reply-To: inxs@topica.com >To: INXS <inxs@topica.com> >Subject: INXS: INXS and Catherine Wheel again >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:39:01 -0400 > > >A list member from the Catherine Wheel mailing list did a short email >interview with Dave Hawes (former bass player who was unceremoniously dumped >by the band <Sue still gritting her teeth over this> ). > >He was asked what were his best tours/albums etc. This is what he said: > >Playing live was always my most enjoyable aspect of the band. We played >with, and met, so many great people over the ten years. Tour wise i really >have fond memories of the INXS tour. That's when we really only put our >'toe' into pop star waters. Even though INXS' popularity was waining, they >were still a class act and Michael was the epitome of the 'rock-star' > >For those interested the rest of the email interview, it can be found at: > >http://www.lewisslade.com/DaveHawes > > >Sue From: Fists of Fury Eric Reed [mailto:skippythefrog@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:50 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: INXS: The Swing ...is a badass song. some days I am everything I hate but it's nothing if the truth won't survive -- From: Deirdre [mailto:deirdreanne@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 10:33 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: The Swing Fists of Fury Eric Reed wrote: ...is a badass song. >From an equally badass album. :-) Cheers From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:36 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: The Swing Do be careful in keeping these longwinded essays to a minimum now folks...:). The Swing ain't that bad, a bit dissonant here and there but on the right stereo and the right mood it "rocks" as good as anything on that very popish INXS album. Perhaps the most successful INXS album in Australia actually. The singles charted 1, 2 and 3. Out of all the INXS albums it by far has the 80's written all over it, the 80s really were the peak of Pop music in my opinion. Now days they are more distinguishing between genres. If your looking for an INXS song that doesn't make the grade look no further than one of the tracks of the first two novice like albums. Kick From: showbizkid@webtv.net [mailto:showbizkid@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:03 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: The Swing Hi Everyone, I have been away for awhile,and haven't posted for sometime,It is great to see the input on this site since I have been back. First of all congrats to Mike & Sherri,by the way great name. Now on to the "Swing"this will always remind me of the Album/CD that put me over the top in convincing wannabee fans that they have a unique sound and will be stars in no time,it worked!! Till next time Love & Peace Bonnie & Joe From: Neil Kothari [mailto:nkoth@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:12 AM To: INXS Mailing List Subject: INXS: Hall of Fame Interestingly enough, INXS is not a nominee, though they are eligible as of 2005. The full list is at http://www.bobshannon.com/specials/rockhall05.html. Comments? It's a bit of a slap in the face, that's for sure. -neil U2, Grandmaster Flash Lead Rock Hall Nominees Mon Sep 13, 7:23 PM ET By Jonathan Cohen NEW YORK (Billboard) - U2, Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, Randy Newman and the O'Jays are among the nominees for the 2005 induction class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They are joined on the ballot by the Pretenders, Buddy Guy, Wanda Jackson, the J. Geils Band, Conway Twitty and Percy Sledge. The Sex Pistols, the Stooges, Lynyrd Skynyrd and the late Gram Parsons were previously nominated but remain on this year's ballot. Artists become eligible 25 years after the release of their first recording. A Foundation committee nominates eligible artists, who are then voted on by an international body of about 700 music experts. Results will be announced in December, with the induction to take place in New York next spring. The 2004 induction class featured Prince, Bob Seger (news), ZZ Top, Jackson Browne, and the late George Harrison (news), among others. Reuters/Billboard From: Michael & Sherrianne Talon [mailto:xssive@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:09 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: Re: INXS: Hall of Fame Yeah that is a bit of a slap in the face, INXS just aren't in the forethought of peoples minds anymore (or atleast not in the minds of these 700 experts). Perhaps Rockstar could be seen as a black mark against the move, who knows. Kick From: Davy Jones [mailto:davy@nightswimming.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:13 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Hall of Fame > Interestingly enough, INXS is not a nominee, though they are eligible > as of 2005. The full list is at > http://www.bobshannon.com/specials/rockhall05.html. Comments? It's a > bit of a slap in the face, that's for sure. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is almost entirely political and has less to do with who actually deserves to be in it. The Moody Blues have a career spanning over 4 decades with almost 20 studio albums, several Billboard charting singles, and a sales history that eclipses a healthy majority of other Hall of Famers, yet they have been repeatedly looked over. In contrast, the Tokens are really a one hit wonder, and even that one hit was cover, but they're in. I will say that most Hall of Famers tend to be repeatedly cited as being influential on other bands, particularly American ones. For INXS, this isn't really true; in Australia for sure, but outside of that not so much. They're too pigeon holed as a new wave band who didn't hold on to their relevance long enough. Unless there is a sudden explosion of Australian rock on the Billboard charts, I would be willing to bet that INXS will never make it. Davy From: Nanci Lamb Roider [mailto:nanci@digitalcastle.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:05 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Hall of Fame I wonder if U2 will make the cut? ;-) i do think INXS will be in there in the next few years - perhaps the Hall is waiting for them to figure out who exactly is part of the band? ;-) (Yes, I'm feeling snarky this AM!) And yes, Michael, I wonder, too, if the whole Rockstar thing doesn't work against them... Nanci We thought we had all the answers; it was the questions we had wrong. --Bono From: Donna D [mailto:trpld@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:19 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Hall of Fame My first thought after reading this was - the J. Geils Band??? J. Geils but no INXS?? Maybe the whole Rock Star project factored into it, but really, except for "the fans" it really seemed like just a blip on the radar screen. Nobody I knew mentioned it, and they all know the leve of love I have for INXS. It was announced on a couple of the entertainment news shows, there was a very short story in EW (shared w/the story about TLC0, etc. If just the announcement that they were participating was the cause of their not being considered, what will the actual airing of the show do for their chances next year? Just a thought . . . You've got instinct; You've got class; Why don't you leave that; guy on his a$$ ~*~ Donna ~*~ From: Pedro Queiros [mailto:Elegantlywasted_Pedro@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:23 AM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Hall of Fame Let's face it fellow INXS fans like me, apart from us the fans, nobody really cares about INXS anymore, as sad as it may be. In fact even when they were hugely popular the critics never really supported them, it was always that band that critics didn't feel confortable supporting, as i read somewhere they were probably to pop to the rock audiences, too rock for pop audiences and even too alternative for the comecercial lovers and vice-versa. As a long time fan ( 14 years) i got used to see INXS forgotten on end of the years best albums lists and stuff like that, for me and probably to most of you it's very unfair, as INXS deserved a lot more respect than they really did had, even other bands are not so keen to cite INXS as an influence because it's not cool, even though a few ones did it. INXS are to me the best group ever, and i am one of those who really keeps track of what's going on, i buy lots of new albums, have hundreds of cd's in my collection but i still think that INXS is still the best, so they will always be in my hall of fame and i really stop caring about INXS being mentioned or not. One of the things i believe made a difference to INXS's critics aclaim or not was the fact that they are australian, so the british press doesn't support them, the usa press didn't also and the australian press never seem to care about their success and really nobody cares about what is trendy in Australia in opposite to what happens in UK or USA. I will always treasure INXS as my all time favourite band and keep supporting them, even when the bad times are coming (rockstar was the stupidest decision ever made by them). Their music has been with me for half of my life and i can't imagine living without it. Cheers, Pedro From: Patricia [mailto:grahampat_98@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:40 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Hall of Fame There are ton of bands who are overlooked time after time. Given the number of bands to be considered, fans of all the bands probably feel that THEIR band should have been nominated the first time they were eligible. But that is literally impossible. JMVHO. Pat My first thought after reading this was - the J. Geils Band??? J. Geils but no INXS?? Maybe the whole Rock Star project factored into it, but really, except for "the fans" it really seemed like just a blip on the radar screen. Nobody I knew mentioned it, and they all know the leve of love I have for INXS. It was announced on a couple of the entertainment news shows, there was a very short story in EW (shared w/the story about TLC0, etc. If just the announcement that they were participating was the cause of their not being considered, what will the actual airing of the show do for their chances next year? Just a thought . . . You've got instinct; You've got class; Why don't you leave that; guy on his a$$ ~*~ Donna ~*~ From: Richard Davis [mailto:RichardJDavis1971@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:43 PM To: inxs@topica.com Subject: RE: INXS: Hall of Fame If INXS had been an American band, makes you wonder if that would have swung in their favour for them being nominated for the USA Hall of Fame ? Besides, they were inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame back in 2001, so recognition by your home nation probably has greater significance. To be recognised by the USA Hall of Fame and not the Australian Hall of Fame would have been the dryest slap in the face. By the time the 2006 nominations come around, I reckon the 'RockStar' project will have blown them well and truly out of the water for any chance of a nomination. >so the british press doesn't support >them, the usa press didn't also and the australian >press never seem to care about their success